AH30 The Soulful Warrior w/ Jeff Depatie

On today’s show, I interview retired tier 1 special forces operator, Jeff Depatie. Jeff and I get into a lot of things about his life – both inside and out of the military. Right now he’s working on a very impressive project called The Special Forces Experience. It’s going to help people upgrade their life in many ways. We get really deep into males and what it means to be a man in the modern world. It’s a passionate conversation for both of us and I really think you’re going to enjoy these perspectives.

Enjoy the show,

Angelo

About Jeff

Depatie is the co-founder and the Chief Course Architect of The Process. His vision is to identify superior non-military men and bring them together to see if they collectively can solve some of the world’s biggest issues from the ground up.

Depatie is committed to maintaining peak physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual shape – in addition to constantly improving the courage it takes to will that strength. For years, he’s been building his skills in the following crafts:

  • Tactical shooting: Depatie has taught pistol, shotgun, carbine, and long-range shooting to incoming tier-1 operators. He was a part of the sniper unit that has the current world record for longest confirmed kill at 3.5 km (2.2 mi)
  • Martial arts training in multiple disciplines: MMA, karate, combato, defendo, and spears
  • Skydiving and paramotoring: With multiple qualifications and course completions for each
  • Piloting aircrafts: Private, IFR, float/sky racing, general purpose bushcraft
  • Professional driving: On/Off road and multiple ATV variants such as UTVs, dirt bikes, and on/off road motorcycles
  • Open water scuba and diving
  • CCNA/CCNP Cisco Certified Network Professional
  • Human Optimization Processes
  • >50 confidential military courses and qualifications

Depatie has spent years of his life in deserts, jungles, extreme cold, and other hardly inhabitable geographies. He also co-founded Meraki Collective, a coworking space designed to help revitalize a failing small town in Ontario. He has been a student and a seeker of adventure and human possibility. In the words of Master Yoda, “failure the greatest teacher there is.”

Transcription

Angelo: Jeff Depatie, how are you brother?

Jeff: I’m good Angelo. Yourself?

Angelo: I’m doing amazing man. I’m in Chicago and it’s a 60 degree day in October, so it’s a gift. I’m really enjoying this warm weather.

Jeff: I find myself in New York, midtown Manhattan right now, same kind of weather. Just getting ready for a Halloween parade.

Angelo: That’s awesome man. Thank you for making time to be on the show. From what I’ve been researching about you and hearing from other people you have a wonderful story to share, so I’m excited to put it out there for the world.

Jeff: Thanks a lot Angelo.

Angelo: Yeah, my pleasure. You are a retired Tier 1 Special Forces operator, and that’s in Canada, correct?

Jeff: Correct.

Angelo: Perfect. Can you give us an analogy of what that would look like in an American military sense so that the listeners could have an idea about you and your abilities or backgrounds?

Jeff: Okay. States side we would be most comparable to what’s known as Delta Force kind of colloquially or CAG, Combat Applications Group a little bit more formally. They are your one of two Tier 1 units but they handle a whole different bag of tricks than DEVGRU which is SEAL Team 6, which is also similar to us and we do handle similar things that they do like maritime counter terrorism and all that. One of the big differences between both our brands, the American and the Canadian is we do domestic work as well, but I would say broad brush think Delta Force.

Angelo: Oh man, it’s awesome. How long were you in the military for?

Jeff: I was in the military for—give me a second to think about it. I was there 13 years. 13 years and I spent the better part of a decade with Joint Task Force 2 which is our Special Forces unit.

Angelo: Wow, that’s awesome man. How old are you right now?

Jeff: 37. I’m 37.

Angelo: Okay. Alright, I know you grew up in northern Ontario, and what got you into the military, especially because you spent most of your adult life in there?

Jeff: I think the military for some is just in our DNA. I was raised in northern Ontario. I was outside all the time. I was in the bush- fell in love with hunting and fishing. My parents really nurtured that side. I would say 90% of my spare time was spent outside. I began it in my early childhood. I really enjoyed being creative in that environment and I got very comfortable with that, and that started my love affair with guns and camping, and navigation, all that kind of stuff.

Then as I grew up I kind of lived on the extreme edge with extreme sports; sky diving, snowboarding, things of that nature. I nurtured that side for a little bit. The last catalyst would be 9/11. When 9/11 happened I needed to be in the military. They used the word calling, so that’s why I had to go. I originally actually tried to sign up in the American military but shortly after 9/11 they stopped taking foreign applicants, rightfully so. It’s hard to vet people—no hard feelings, but I think they’ve since changed that and they are back to taking foreigners.

That kind of back and forth tied me up for a while and then our military wasn’t taking—the infantry trade was closed and that’s where I wanted to go. I didn’t want to go down on any of the other venues. Infantry trade’s closed, back and forth, life kind of happened, I’m in and out, and then by about the time I hit 25 I was finally accepted. It was nothing on me- it was just like I mentioned the trade was closed. I ended up going through the regular army, infantry draw, came paratrooper, that’s kind of where it started. That like I said took up about 13 years of my life.

Angelo: That’s incredible. I was also digging some research on you too. You are a part of a sniper unit that has the world record for longest confirmed kill at 3½ km, is that true?

Jeff: Yes, it is true. We called it a troupe. I was a member of the Sniper Troupe. I was in fact on course with the fellas who do have the record.

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I was actually the top candidate on the sniper course. They are great shooters there, and that’s where I left off my career. That was my final kind of go at it. As an operator into a task force too you kind of go down different avenues, you cover a lot, but that’s where I ended off, was in the Sniper Troupe.

Angelo: Very cool.

Jeff: Yeah, it was a great experience.

Angelo: How did you know that you were ready to step away from the military after all these years?

Jeff: I didn’t see it coming. Between you and me, I loved what I did. It gave me real purpose, a real passion. I would say—not that I would say- I know what it is. When I met Jess I was down in San Diego, we were doing some free fall training. I was actually a jump master, I was teaching on a course. We got what’s called winded out, so the wind gets too high drop zones close down. We went and rented a beach house in San Diego right around—not mission beach but Pacific Beach.

We went out partying one night as one does. We had the whole weekend, so the next day we were out for breakfast and I meet this girl and we instantly fell in love. Believe it or not, the day we met she told me that she doesn’t want to do a military lifestyle. So right away we started planning, okay, what I’m I going to do? Because I’m not, I’m just going to do something kind of person, I needed to have purpose to be part of my intrinsic value system. So what does that look like? That’s when the early forms of the process in the Special Forces experience were born.

Angelo: That’s incredible. So you met Jess, you fell in love, and then you decided to leave the military. I love what you said too, it’s like you really needed something to give you purpose. Do you feel like a lot of people that get out of the military and suffer from any PTSD—and I know that there are certain different cases, but do you feel like a lot of people from the military they get out of the military and they don’t have a true purpose or feel like they haven’t their next calling and that maybe the reason for some sort of suffering?

Jeff: For sure it is. I would say most people in life don’t live with real purpose. I think they end up kind of flowing through the cycles of life, going through school and just end up wherever they end up, and I don’t believe they live in their purpose. They could be doing that especially impactful for them and all the impacts they can make, but for those military dudes who get out and have issues afterwards, the tricky part especially for combat veterans is finding where do I apply all this knowledge and this mindset, and all these skills in the civilian world without going into, say, some kind of contract work, where you are doing contract security on a firm or something like that? Does that make sense?

Angelo: Yeah, absolutely. I definitely think making the application “the civilian world”, outside of the military after is definitely some sort of barrier. You met Jess, you guys fell in love and you were ready to find your next purpose. Before we get into actually what that was, how did you even go about finding it? Because I think that that’s a really interesting piece that I’d love the listeners to know.

Jeff: I’m a growth-minded person, so I like to deep dive myself in my surroundings a lot. I use concentration exercises, contemplation exercises, meditative exercises to try to find, okay, where does that go? How do I take who I am right now to create that who I am down the road? What I want to be, what I want to be doing? We use a lot of kind of esoteric realms, like Jinnkis, I’m not sure if you are familiar with Jinnkis or not—this is Richard Rod who wrote this book and it’s like the culmination of collective wisdom.

He spent 20 years on the road searching through like the I Ching different religions, kind of stuff like that, and human design. It creates this model, and then depending on when, where you were born, the time and all that [inaudible 00:09:43] and all that kind of stuff, it spits out this archetype of version of what you could be. Honesty it’s super, super accurate, it’s uncanny. We’ve used it many times, we use it with our co-workers—Jess and I started a co-working place, and for people who are kind of listless a little bit, without direction.

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It gave great vectoring to them. Like I said, a combination of searching in those realms—this is already who I am, and I do like certain aspects. I enjoy teaching in the right form. We started to put that together—again, that’s where it kind of began. The first suggestion that actually kind of led to it was Jess talking about a man camp, and I’ve told the story many times, because it actually—I literally laughed out loud. I just came from this realm that most men, but most people can’t really understand, and then I just had this vision of like, roasted marshmallows and telling stories by the fire and [inaudible 00:10:54] you know what I mean?

I was like, man camp? No, no, no, that’s not going to work. That was the cuddle, it started to burn and we just started diving down those avenues and as one does, you kind of stumble upon what I would like to call purpose.

Angelo: I love it too. For me too I’m really into the human design and things like that. Just out of curiosity, what’s your profile?

Jeff: In Jinnkis?

Angelo: Human design.

Jeff: My human design one I don’t know that off the top of my head.

Angelo: Okay.

Jeff: But when it comes to Jinnkis—oh, you mean like, I’m I like a manifestor or manifestor generator?

Angelo: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: I’m a manifest generator, or generating manifestor3. That one there can kind of go both ways. I would say I tend toward manifesting tendencies much more.

Angelo: Yeah, same thing. I’m a manifestor, I’m a 51 profile. Those of you that are just listening to us ramble about our profiles and these things, you could go online and check this out. It’s a real simple thing to do. You put your birthday, the time you were born, the city you were born, and it gives you all this alignment and it’s—just like Jeff said it’s incredible how accurate it really is to your natural grain. That’s the biggest thing, I’m sure you saw this too, it’s like who we are when there’s not any pressure, or like just who you really are naturally and flowing.

Jeff: I like how you say natural grain. The idea behind it—we all know that feeling in life when it feels like you are swimming against molasses, like you can’t put in enough effort to move through it. You are like, what I’m I doing? What’s going on? Once you start down the journey or human designing and Jinnkis it starts to illuminate. These are not I read it and it’s done as you know it, they are lifelong journeys and very contemplative. But once you start to understand it and live by it more and more it’s like this opening of the universe almost.

Angelo: Yeah, I think it’s the difference between power versus force, all of a sudden you are being pulled to something instead of pushing onto something.

Jeff: Yeah, exactly.

Angelo: It’s uncanny how incredible it really is. For me personally, that’s where I feel like the difference between religion and spirituality is. It’s like there’s just trust in where you are supposed to be and how you are supposed to be doing it.

Jeff: Yeah, exactly. Then like I was saying, you combine that with the skills you’ve acquired, the culture that is you, all your personality, all that spectrum, and that’s when like I was saying, you kind of spit out the purpose of, oh, okay, I can be in this kind of job or vocation, or volunteer position and this is where I’ll feel best.

Angelo: Yeah, absolutely. Now for you, you went through that journey, so how incredible. 13 years in the military, you are an absolute stud, you are part of a world record team, then you meet Jess, you fall in love, you are like, ‘you know what military, I’ll see you later’, you do some soul searching and some digging. Now, what’s going on with you and your life, where do you feel like you are going to take these, your new found profile and stuff like that, but also these years of incredible skill?

Jeff: That is undoubtedly right now, I’m doubling in a few things. I own some real estate like I mentioned Jess and I have the co-working spot, but this is all about the Special Forces experience and more specifically, the process, calling it kind of the ultimate experience for high achieving men who want, say challenge, exposure, growth, to really learn the last little bits about themselves so they can begin what we are calling a version of self-construction.

This is for guys who are looking for strategic, tactical informational approaches to individuation, if you look at it like if you are young in, or self-realization, if you are self-actualization, pardon me if you are a [inaudible 00:14:45] fan, or the fully functioning person if you are Carl—damn it, I can’t think of his name right now, Carl—anyways, they are all saying the same thing, and that’s what the process is. It’s for those guys who want to take it to the next level, and that’s where my passion is.

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It’s in creating this- I’m the chief course architect of it. I’ve designed it from the ground up. It’s made for men. It’s made to be like a programing partner to our y chromosome if you will. We looked into our hormones, male tendencies, what men want, where they are right now, the realities. We have a saying; honoring the ancient ways in the modern world, men are at a real crossroads I believe, I mean, they’ve probably been at crossroads forever and it’s just our turn to use that term.

But with the hard push of feminism and rightfully so we are rubber banded on the other side and now men are kind of like, okay, where do I fit in? Portions have been stripped away, how do we live in this world perfectly in good harmony with a good feminine and masculine balance? All my effort’s been into that, into the process for men.

Angelo: That’s so incredible, because something too that I’ve been really thinking about in our society, 2000 years ago, not even that far away there was a time when you were a boy and you were taken to “a school”, and given principles and values to live by. It’s like a way to become a man. Now in society it’s almost like there is no rule book and people are just literally guessing and it’s pretty chaotic. How do you feel about that?

Jeff: Yeah, I agree. The traditional rite of passage, pardon me, the men teaching men how to be men is not as—it’s harder to find, you really got to root it out. Some of it is understandable; you got parents working 9-5, taking their kids to, say extracurricular activities, whatever that may be. There becomes less and less time to deep it or dive into these things. I believe their value has been lost a bit. I hope this isn’t conjuring up images that of aggressive men, because I’m not a believer like that. I believe in love and light, strength and honor. There’s a balance there.

The modern pace, the modern world is changing, we have all, like I was saying, these ancient tools, this ancient limbic system, the way our hormones work, our neural networking especially as men it’s a little tricky in the modern world. When it’s vectored it can be vectored into, I think less than savory ways, whether it’s down criminal paths where men are the number one perpetrators of most heinous crimes, or the other way where you kind of just become extrinsically motivated and it’s just all about money and stepping on people.

It’s all about finding that balance. Because dads aren’t able to hand it down the same way—I don’t know if it’s the same for women or not, but for men that’s just what I feel. So this gives them a program, a place, a group to do that.

Angelo: That’s so incredible. When you closed your eyes and you created this program, who were you like really thinking about, who this was for? Who’s like the avatar of the process, or the perfect person that would fit this bill; age, where they are from, what are their biggest challenges? Really take me through, who would fit well for this course.

Jeff: Okay. What’s I’ll do is I’ll circle back to that. I’ll start off with how we came to what it should be? I think it will Segway nicely into that.

Angelo: Beautiful.

Jeff: We started asking men and women mostly from North America, but around the world; what’s missing? What do you want? What’s not nurtured? What are you looking for? What’s that challenge? All those questions to develop the end product. Then with the end product obviously, if you are going to market something or look for these people, or tailor, give the branding to it you got to design that avatar like you said.

The gist, and this goes left and right is a man 25 to about 45, and again, it can be on both sides, usually younger dudes aren’t quite as aware enough I think to really benefit from this program. They would get like a kick out of the challenge for sure, this is a monumental challenge. On the other end the older guys, they are somehow to marathoners except they wouldn’t be able to potentially physically handle it. Older and 55 you are looking at potential injury and stuff, and this thing is a beast, right?

So we kind of put it in there, it’s definitely growth-minded people. People who like to experience, people who want to change and challenge themselves, and really know like right down—like I look at a human being on a spectrum, and there’s all kinds of things in there, you are spiritual, you got your personality profiles, you got every little thing that can possibly be in there.

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There is no one way to define them, but it’s those people, specifically men looking to find those areas of themselves and change it which is the tough part- putting in the leg work afterwards.

Angelo: Absolutely. I think wanting to change is a big step, but definitely the consistency it takes to retrain poor habits and break habits, and make new ones, and step into almost a new identity is definitely daily, repetitive, it’s the marathon part of the work.

Jeff: Yeah, habits are built on impulses, and those impulses are deeply, deeply rooted. Those are subconscious, unconscious routines which are very difficult to change. Look at talk therapy; talk therapy can help people on that chair for years and years, and years still trying to tweak one portion of a person’s life, usually a more traumatic event, but for some people it’s just about figuring out their ways in life, their way of life.

Angelo: Yeah. I think right now one of the biggest challenges a lot of people are facing—I didn’t mean you speak a little bit more towards men because that’s who we identify with obviously, and I think a lot of people are just in this gray area where they know they want to change, or they could think they want to change, but they are not sure what it is and how to even go about doing it. What you are working on is pretty incredible when you think about it because right now where we are in society I would say that with feminism and men—I would say more men are in this gray area whether or not—they are just a cog running through life and not knowing where they are going.

Jeff: Exactly. Like I was saying, all that preprograming comes from the y chromosome, all those neural network things, our unique hormonal structures, the way a man’s brain works, our actual chunks of meat in the brain, the way they process the world is different. Where we are right now I don’t think it really nurtures at all that much. Like you said, guys don’t have the tools, the words, it’s hard—you can identify, okay, I don’t like this, but when you don’t have the means, and I don’t mean monetary, but if you don’t have the tools to move to that next step you are not going to be able to. You’ve got to really root it out.

That’s why it’s easy to go and grab a self-help book and then bolt on some stuff, but that might not really actually do the work. That’s why we use the term self-construction. We break it down, we analyze you as much as we can over a long period of time and then we give it to you, like that- okay, this is what the observations are telling us where you are at. Here are some tools, tip and tricks, but that’s where the work, the real self-construction starts on you.

That’s why the process is designed to be—we have a term post-traumatic growth, it’s designed to be traumatic to stop that stream of consciousness which is your everyday story and give you that space to- okay, where do I really want to go? How do I do this, how do I do this? We can answer some of those questions and a bit of a guide along the way because at the end of the day I don’t know what’s best for you, you don’t know what’s best for me, but we have suggestions.

That’s another thing that’s creates, it is a network of men like-minded, high achievers who can bounce those ideas off men and in a way that it’s done like men would want. We interact differently than women. Women are much more empathetic and able to communicate in different ways. A man needs some man talk. Sometimes it could be pretty punchy but that’s the environment we are trying to create.

Angelo: I love that you just said that. This idea of brotherhood I think has slowly drifted away, and when you think about when we were kids and we watched the Flintstone cartoon, like Fred and Bunny would go put their hats on and be with their crew. There’s such a big difference, like for me I’m from an Italian-American family, let’s say I’m having  a bad day and I’m sad, I call up my mother and all she wants to do is feed me and rub my head and so I feel better.

But sometimes though, I’m sure this is where you are getting at, is sometimes you need another man to give you a kick in the ass and let you know that you are not being the best version of yourself and you are better than this. It’s so amazing that you are putting that with this process, because I think that that is definitely one of the lost parts of our society and culture.

Jeff: We could get into all the social psychology behind it of what’s happening with the digital age and people very aware of their emotions and feelings and scared to cross that threshold of- if I say this, this feels like it could hurt them, but sometimes you need to do that.

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That’s how it works, like back in the unit when I joined Task Force 2, we would do AARs. Let me tell you, there was no bump slapping and Hi-Fives, it was you mess this up, you mess this up-change this. It’s very fast concise and it can cut a little bit. But you kind of get used to hearing it a little bit more, a little bit more—I’m not saying there isn’t a really a good place for positive reinforcement, that’s not what I’m saying. I think the negative version of it as people like to call it is a bit of a lost art.

Angelo: Yeah, I think we are both on the same page. We are not saying that there should be a group of people just shaming you or anything like that, it’s just about the level of energy, and I would say almost the intensity to just make sure that you are being your best self.

Jeff: Exactly, it’s exactly that.

Angelo: You created the process, so take us through just an outline of what this experience is like, what people should feel like when they come out of it. I’m really interested to hear, especially because you are the architect. I know you’ve got a good team with you- we’ve had Aaron on the show, Gyad, who’s going to be working with you, Ricky Alexander as well. They have been on the show so I know you’ve got studs behind you in this whole program, but since you are the architect why don’t you take us through a little bit of that.

Jeff: Okay. It is a beast, I’ll say that. We started just at the bones and we just kept, okay, what can we give, what can we give, what can we give, what can we give? That’s what we want to do, we want to add value, we want to make it the most valuable experience for men. But I if back it up, it all starts right away. However they get to our website, thespecialforcesexperience.com, right there, it’s in black and white. You’ve seen it yourself Angelo, it’s not designed to be welcoming in a way that people are traditionally used to in modern media.

We put up the wall right away. It’s kind of like in Fight Club, when they go to Tyler Durden’s house, and they are standing outside the house, they are not just letting everyone in. They put up that wall and only the brave can step in, hit the apply button for an interview and move on. From the interview we start assessing them. We want to makes sure that first off the process is a good fit for them and that they are a good fit for the process.

We are not going to just—we have a pretty good idea of who has a chance to actually make it through and who doesn’t just based off verbal analysis and some other testing and strategies I won’t get into too much. Then they receive their first package and in their first package that self-inquiry, all the tools you are going to need to do the process they are in there. There’s some skills, like I said self-inquiry, all kinds of tests; tests for their loved ones that are done kind of independent where the person applying doesn’t see the results, and we just start building up this package.

We built this package, mostly personality stuff at this point. We take that data and then they move in to the 8-day portion of it. The 8-day portion is just that; it’s 8 days, and it’s designed to be your Everest. Most of the long endurance races are not 8 days, and the ones that are you know what you are getting into. This one we have to paint the picture for you without actually telling you what all the evolutions are to keep the shock and all going, to keep you- that hair on fire.

So they get there, it’s designed—at times you feel like a secret agent, you feel like a soldier, you feel like a victim of a terrorist kidnapping, we test your phobias. We are completely in control of your environment, and if I were to describe what the environment is I think Maslow’s hierarchy, you got your base, your base needs, your physiological needs. We are in control of all that; your sleep, your food, your rest, your thermal regulation, all those things.  

Those are the places we can apply immediate stress. You go without a couple of meals and not a little bit lack of sleep, and you are cold your mind is in a whole different place.

Angelo: Sure.

Jeff: Moving up we take away that safety security, we strip you off your identity, an all that story that is you we try to get that off you as much as—we kind of in a way, I’ll say attack the self, where we are constantly making you doubt yourself, and we are going to work just moving up his layers all the way up to self-esteem. Obviously strong men you don’t take that away from them, the idea though going back to that stream of consciousness is to kind of slow it and clear that mind. Their job for the 8 days isn’t to analyze themselves.

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They’ll watch their team mates and they’ll do a peer assessment, because they go through leadership roles, follow-ship roles, they are constantly having to be decisive; they have to come up with creative solutions all the time. In that we are testing all their reasoning. We have broken it right down into portions of the brain. We start off with things like long/short term memory, special awareness, executive function; all this is built in to in tandem them with building up skills. All the skill building is actually testing all these stuff.

The skill building that’s just a nice byproduct, proving your shooting, your home-defense skills and hand combat, repelling, navigation, rocking, leaving out of a bag. Everybody is looking for those skills, but the zombies overcome the good skills.

Angelo: So far it seems like you get there and first just being in a new place has already heightened your senses and along with these tests, are you trying to challenge people idea of their identity or reality, and getting them to reshape it throughout those 8 days?

Jeff: During the 8 days not so much. Some of it will not really happen just by the nature of the beast. People will start to see other people performing well and other people performing poorly and they’ll want to move towards that very quickly because they’ll be like, “oh, I’m falling short here, I’m doing well here”. They’ll have time to communicate between them where maybe some of that man talk happens, you know what I mean?

Angelo: Sure.

Jeff: I.e. you are dragging down the team, it will be much more in-depth than that but it’s really kind of the after math when they can look back on what just happened. That’s where that shift will begin, that’s what we are really designing it to begin. That’s just one portion of it though. Guys can come out if they are just into iron-mans or tough matters like really challenging obstacle course racing, it’s that too. It’s physically demanding. The volume that comes out, physical output is intense. It’s only matched and outdone by the mental stress and the psychology of it.

Angelo: As far as, if anybody is wondering, do I need military experience? What kind of experience is necessary, or would you recommend is like a baseline for people that are thinking about doing this?

Jeff: I recommend you have a y chromosome. You got to be a man. You have to be a man. In your pre-package we will send a whole bunch of suggested training. How fit you want to be when you show up that will be all on you. I recommend you show up fit. Including some basic kind of nutrition geared towards whole foods, nothing really in-depth. We don’t want to burden the upfront load too much, because—to be like okay, I need you to start training like three times a day, and I need you to be on this meal program.

It’s probably just not realistic for most people, so there is that suggested portion, but the way it flows it builds on itself. You need zero skill upfront as far as the skill set of the house goes. Anything that is a skill it’s done incrementally, and that’s a big portion of it.

Angelo: That’s awesome. Good, because I definitely think for a lot of people they might be wondering, oh my man, what kind of experience do I need to have, and definitely you can just go in there. Obviously be relatively fit, it’s always a good thing. That’s awesome. So I go through the 8 days, I have this incredible experience, I’m doing all of these, I’m exposed to so many different settings and tests, and all that stuff- when I’m finished with this or when somebody is done with it, what is the outcome that you are really hoping they have or they feel? What’s the desired outcome and goal for this?

Jeff: They first do decompression phase. Anytime you go to an event, it can be a weekend event or some kind of facilitated retreat or whatever, when you leave there is always that portion of okay, now what? You just had a really great experience, now you got to work back into real life. No matter how big or small there is that portion. That’s the first stage.

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That will last a little bit differently for each person, but like I said we want to make sure you come out of it okay, merge back into real life. That’s stage one. Then what happens is after a few months there will be a few more things in there for them to do to get back to us, some information on them- some more testing stuff. Then meanwhile we are building what we are calling the P3 or the post-process profile, which is basically a book of you. We take all our data, all our observations, everything you went through, all the tests, it’s a big gamut.

We do up this book with some suggestion—like I said, we don’t have a monopoly on how to be the ultimate man, whatever that is, it changes depending on your environment and stuff, but that’s in there. Then what happens is they are invited into a collective, like I had mentioned, they are group of men. That’s what we are hoping the bouncing of ideas happens and the way forward. We are hoping that a) you come out with a lifetime experience, like a once in a lifetime experience, no one will ever forget, put it that way.

Then they go to work on themselves. It’s not just on themselves as you know, usually self-work flows over into our relationships, and the more you know yourself and work on yourself, the better you can be with other people whether it’s extremely close relationships like your spouse, your children, or professional platonic relationships, employee-employer etc. We are hoping that the experience trickles out from there as well.

Now these men have experienced something that most people won’t, they’ve had themselves illuminated- an eliminating experience. Then they move out back into the world and they start doing that, basically like self-actualization where you level up and you are able to make the world, the community a better place. Intrinsic values really happen where you start to get—your rewards are helping others, things of that nature. That’s the long-term ultimate goal, that’s a little bit nebulous right now though.

Angelo: Nice. I think it’s incredible to really say, for men if we are all upgrading it’s going to have a ripple effect like you said, in our relationships and the people around us, and the people that we affect. Not many people are just living this life day to day by themselves, so it’s not like we don’t affect people.

Jeff: Exactly, exactly. We got a good team, the dudes and the women that are working on our cadre, the first thing I did when I was looking for them was make sure that they offer something I don’t, something that I’m just not. We all come, a little bit introvert, a little bit extrovert, we all have different markers, different experiences, different professions, yada, yada, yada. I wanted them to be the ultimate in something whether it was relationships, a skill level thing, masters of themselves, people who are masters of working in community and helping others, and on top of that they are all high achieving men.

Angelo: That’s awesome. How you articulate all this stuff it sounds like you’ve done this with a lot of care and I hope everybody listening picks that up when you explain. This is very well thought out man, this sounds like a really incredible experience.

Jeff: That it is, like I said, the goal is—you are on your death bed, you look back you are like, that moment the path diverged and I went this one way. Again, the work is on you, we just facilitate it.

Angelo: Absolutely. When are you starting it? How does somebody enroll in it? Take me through the whole when’s it going to happen and how to get to it.

Jeff: May 10th is day zero for the 8 days 2019. We are selecting our candidates right now. We interview a lot of people. We interview about 10 or 15 a week. Some get chosen, some don’t, like I said, there are a myriad of things in there. It’s mostly to do with do we actually think you can get through this? Because like I said, there is a quick function and I don’t want 30 people to show up on day 1 and they quit.

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They apply, they answer some questions, they answer some more questions, there is a back and forth, and then they apply for an interview. They sit down on an interview with Jess and myself. Jess facilitates it and I interview and I analyze them. If they are accepted we send them their acceptance notice, and like I said, they get their first package and then they start going to work. Prepping, time lining, travel plans etc. It’s everything they need to show up, be ready for day zero. Then day zero- good luck. I would say that’s about as far as I will go with that.

Angelo: That’s awesome. How many people are you planning to have in this first run?

Jeff: It will always be 30 people starting once a year. That’s the target. We are at mark right now. It’s going on really good. It’s going faster and better than I actually thought. The process is an excellent package, it’s not bad. We can only give them so much in order to maintain the integrity of the program. So they’ve got to put a lot of trust in us, where other facilitated experiences—you can get a syllabus and a timeline you are like, okay, I’m in for this, this and this, I’ll be doing this and this, this here is the outcome etc., where we have to live that big portion blank. I’d say that’s kind of been one of the bit of challenges, but now it’s going on really good.

Angelo: That’s incredible man, congratulations. It’s so nice that you are able to make such a smooth transition, at the military, you fell in love, and then boom, you found what you want to do and how you are going to share it to the world. I especially love too that this isn’t—not that the barrier to entry is high, I don’t want to make it sound that way, but just about who could participate or who this is for I think it’s incredible that this is for “the everyday man” that is just sitting around knowing that he’s got more inside of him or is unhappy with certain things and want’s a place that he’s going to be out to the test to really explore deeper inside who he really is, and ideally what he wants to become.

Jeff: Exactly. That’s what we do. I can’t put it any better than just it, that’s how it is.

Angelo: This is incredible man. I’m so excited for you and everything that you have coming, and I really, really appreciate you taking time to share with everyone.

Jeff: I really appreciate you having me on. I appreciate it Angelo.

Angelo: My pleasure brother. Every guest I sign off with two questions, so I’m going to give you them, and we’ll just recap and we will be ready to go. For you, you are on The Alpha Hippie Podcast and I let every single person that comes on the show define what Alpha Hippie means to them. If you want to give it a short go ahead.

Jeff: Okay, I’ll give it a go. I think the Alpha Hippie for me is the marrying up of spiritual awareness and the awareness of being a man, and then putting them into play into the real world together in a harmonious way.

Angelo: I should have wrote that down while you were saying it. That’s incredible man, I love it.

Jeff: You can keep that one.

Angelo: That’s going to be a quote cut for sure. I love it. Alright, last question. If you had one word to be remembered by what would it be?

Jeff: Farsighted.

Angelo: Farsighted. Man, you got good answers. A lot of times some people get a little hang up with it and everything. Where could people find about the process, they could apply, they could get more information?

Jeff: It’s all at the thespecialforcesexperience.com. Everything is there guys on the website. It’s designed to be very clarifying, and then if you dare, apply for an interview.

Angelo: Yeah, absolutely. Check out that video too guys before you start applying to it as well. It’s incredible to watch it.

Jeff: We had fun shooting that one.

Angelo: It’s great. Thanks brother, I really appreciate your time.

                                                                           

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